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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: DopeBoyAus on March 16, 2012, 12:50 am
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Alright so think of it like this - I'm guessing vendors are doing this so that if the product doesn't arrive to the designated country (or the customer SAYS it didn't) due to customs or simply a lost letter, they don't have to deal with the consequences of a resolution center and subsequently either giving a partial/full refund or recieveing negative feedback. However if someone finalizes early, yet doesn't recieve their package (or claims they didn't) and goes to the vendor in attempt to sort out some sort of deal/refund and they aren't satisfied they are still able to edit their feedback and ruin the vendors ratings. There is the same risk of either forking over a partial refund or recieving negative feedback REGARDLESS of FE or escrow. How come no one seems to see this? If anything getting your customer to FE is more damaging because if they do request a refund further down the track they are able to do so without affecting their buyer stats. Infact their stats are improved by adding an extra transaction. Over all escrow is a better system. Period.
/rant
** Also, I completely understand vendors wanting to reduce the risk of shit scammer buyers and I'm sure most of you have good intentions and are just looking out for yourselves, just UNDERSTAND that making customers FE does not protect you!
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because some orders take time,, imagine a seller with 3000 he cant touch to buy more products..
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I can only speak for myself but I require FE for one reason; CASH FLOW! if I had to wait for everyone to receive their items before getting paid, I would be out of inventory every couple of days and then have to wait a week or two before I could resupply and that is just not feasible in this business! I tried always staying in escrow at the beginning and it was just not doable!
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That's understandable. I guess as a vendor who sells exclusively domestic I'm not really faced with the same issue or too the extent you would be anyway. It still frustrates me when I read "must have X amount of transactions for escrow" because they're justifying it as they are protecting themselves but really they're at risk of dodgy tactics either way. It's like the bulk of the people on this site don't realize they can edit their feedback.
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I require it for buyers under 10 buys because it doesn't cost a buyer anything to set up an account and scam you. someone with history is obviously more trust worthy. If FE was outlawed on SR I would stop veding no doubt
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I require it for buyers under 10 buys because it doesn't cost a buyer anything to set up an account and scam you. someone with history is obviously more trust worthy. If FE was outlawed on SR I would stop veding no doubt
same here
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I require it for buyers under 10 buys because it doesn't cost a buyer anything to set up an account and scam you. someone with history is obviously more trust worthy. If FE was outlawed on SR I would stop veding no doubt
same here
Even if the FE though they're still able to scam you by blackmailing you into giving them a refund/reship by editing their feedback. And to many vendors having a perfect feedback history is more valuable then the items getting refunded.
There is just so much fuckery going on. The entire system is built around the trust of others and when there is such a high volume of scammers on both the buyer and seller ends of things it doesn't work. If everything becomes at "the buyers risk" then no doubt people will take advantage of it and simply not send items but at the same time when refunds are offered that also gets taken advantage of. There's not really any solution I guess :(
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I require it for buyers under 10 buys because it doesn't cost a buyer anything to set up an account and scam you. someone with history is obviously more trust worthy. If FE was outlawed on SR I would stop veding no doubt
same here
Even if the FE though they're still able to scam you by blackmailing you into giving them a refund/reship by editing their feedback. And to many vendors having a perfect feedback history is more valuable then the items getting refunded.
There is just so much fuckery going on. The entire system is built around the trust of others and when there is such a high volume of scammers on both the buyer and seller ends of things it doesn't work. If everything becomes at "the buyers risk" then no doubt people will take advantage of it and simply not send items but at the same time when refunds are offered that also gets taken advantage of. There's not really any solution I guess :(
NOBODY could intimate me to give them a refund or re ship by changing their feedback. Happened to me already in a way. Someone gave me a shitty rating because I cancelled their order because I asked them to finalize early and they agreed after 4 days they didn't so I cancelled and I left shitty feedback. I just put on my profile why. There comes a time I feel that 1 persons bad feedback doesn't matter when you have nothing but good feedback and rep
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the whole idea of escrow fosters mistrust, so I'm not in the least surprised at the amount of fuckery going on.
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I fully understand why a Vendor would want some history before allowing a buyer to use escrow.
I can also understand the cash flow problem. But, for those with the cash flow problems, what are you doing with your profits? Are you putting a percentage back into your business so you won't have to use FE in the future? I mean, there are Vendors that have been on here for a considerable amount of time with a very large amount of sales that still require FE in many cases. Such as overseas shipments, or even just out of country shipments. Seems like preventing cash flow problems in the future should be one of your primary goals.
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If its a trusted highly regarded vender there is no reason not to FE, its going to get sent.
Sketchy new seller. sure, wait. Other than that release the funds, its in the mail.
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I fully understand why a Vendor would want some history before allowing a buyer to use escrow.
I can also understand the cash flow problem. But, for those with the cash flow problems, what are you doing with your profits? Are you putting a percentage back into your business so you won't have to use FE in the future? I mean, there are Vendors that have been on here for a considerable amount of time with a very large amount of sales that still require FE in many cases. Such as overseas shipments, or even just out of country shipments. Seems like preventing cash flow problems in the future should be one of your primary goals.
This is pretty much what i came in here to say.
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I personlally never require early finalization. I maintain enough of a cash reserve to handle supply and I find that early finalization leads to complications on my end. I understand though that others may not like having their btc tied up for a week or two.
-TB
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It can be hard when you have $1000-$3000 in Escrow at any given moment in time. At times, I wish I could have access to that money so I can restock and pay my empoyees. Alas, I never require EF but sometimes I think about it.
Welcome to my life ::)
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I am a vendor now for more than 5 month with 100% satisfied customer with more than 80 transactions and even more than 100 shipments.
To me new customers have to finalize early.
Because of this decision I have NO DOUBT that scammers have been mostly stayed away.
I am honest, trustable, reliable and fast and there is no reason why I should not been paid when I ship the order!
In Germany it is the only way to buy something on the internet. You always have to pay forwarding your shipment.
I do not understand the problems some people seems to have with it.
The buyer has to take some risk, too. I am not responsible for seizures from your customs or the postman who takes your order for himself.
I have to pay for stamps, envelopes, printing labels, items and so on.
I spent the whole day by answering to sometimes ridiculous questions and annoying people.
If you are a new customer it is no problem for you to get into business but you have to finalize your order.
I am very successful by doing so and as I consider no problems by this way of payment I will keep on doing so!
By the way:
I absolutely have no comprehension for people which place their order and refuse to finalize then.
If you are ordering you agree to all terms. No doubt about that.
So if you do not agree to finalize early as a new customer or a returning customer outside germany than pleace do not place your order.
Hope I can get some LIGHT into this discussion and this helps you to understand both sides.
Greets JD
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mails from me usually takes 8-10 days, but it can be one month easy in some cases. me personally - once I shipped I done with it. realistically I cant provide any guaranties of delivery. I will reship to old customer if it is really lost.
I think it good do not allow to buyers to finalize early to new sellers, let say who are here for 30-40 days or do not have proved transaction at least 10-20. that will protect buyers from doing stupid things and loosing money. Also it will make SR less attractive for scammers.l
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Vendors are not allowed to request early finalization if they haven't been a seller for at least a month with at least 35 successful transactions.
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Can someone please tell me how to finalize an order early??? I purchased an order. On my order page - it only shows "processing". ON my account pages - the money shows "in escrow". But, I don't see a button or anything where I can finalize early. or change the status to finalize. How does one do this??
do I send the money directly to the person?? IF so - how is that done? How do I get their address? This is my first purchase.
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Can someone please tell me how to finalize an order early??? I purchased an order. On my order page - it only shows "processing". ON my account pages - the money shows "in escrow". But, I don't see a button or anything where I can finalize early. or change the status to finalize. How does one do this??
do I send the money directly to the person?? IF so - how is that done? How do I get their address? This is my first purchase.
The seller will mark it as "In Transit" and then you will be able to click finalize early. Then the seller will put it in the mail.
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There should be an addition to our services on SR. Maybe if a vendor has 100+ transactions and 95+ vendor rating we can some how get upto half of our money right away leaving the rest in escrow until the product arrives. that way if you have 3000 in escrow you would already have 1500 for reupping and would wait on the rest until customers got their package.
my 2 cents
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That's understandable. I guess as a vendor who sells exclusively domestic I'm not really faced with the same issue or too the extent you would be anyway. It still frustrates me when I read "must have X amount of transactions for escrow" because they're justifying it as they are protecting themselves but really they're at risk of dodgy tactics either way. It's like the bulk of the people on this site don't realize they can edit their feedback.
Just don't do it DopeBoy! Just don't FE. If everyone did this, there would be no more finalizing early requests by vendors. You, the buyers have all the power! Sure you might have to do with out your favorite candy, but isn't that better than giving up your only protection for you 'cake' my friend?
You have ALL the power! Using 'power' is painful at times!
Thank you for listening!
Mom n Pop Stuff
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I personlally never require early finalization. I maintain enough of a cash reserve to handle supply and I find that early finalization leads to complications on my end. I understand though that others may not like having their btc tied up for a week or two.
-TB
Good for you tweetbe! Good for you! You are a good example to follow! I want to buy from you!
Oh, no listings right now? Or am I hallucinating again!
Mom n Pop Stuff
The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
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I can only speak for myself but I require FE for one reason; CASH FLOW! if I had to wait for everyone to receive their items before getting paid, I would be out of inventory every couple of days and then have to wait a week or two before I could resupply and that is just not feasible in this business! I tried always staying in escrow at the beginning and it was just not doable!
I may start to have people FE because some people do not finalize at all and wait for the auto finalize. I have had to pm customers telling them I have tracking and know they got their package so I want to get paid.
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That's understandable. I guess as a vendor who sells exclusively domestic I'm not really faced with the same issue or too the extent you would be anyway. It still frustrates me when I read "must have X amount of transactions for escrow" because they're justifying it as they are protecting themselves but really they're at risk of dodgy tactics either way. It's like the bulk of the people on this site don't realize they can edit their feedback.
Just don't do it DopeBoy! Just don't FE. If everyone did this, there would be no more finalizing early requests by vendors. You, the buyers have all the power! Sure you might have to do with out your favorite candy, but isn't that better than giving up your only protection for you 'cake' my friend?
You have ALL the power! Using 'power' is painful at times!
Thank you for listening!
Mom n Pop Stuff
If the buyers have all the power then SR will turn into a shithole like eBay/Paypal. There needs to be a balance of the power between buyers and sellers.
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With the exception of shipping overseas, ANY vendor who REQUIRES F.E. is selfish and not playing by the rules!! AND you can be banned!!
I wait. Everyone else waits. So should you!! ONE of my first orders was for 20+ oxycodone tablets. I was new, broke and scared to lose!! I put my faith in the system and it worked out wonderfully. It was tough. BUT WORTH IT!! NOW that I have been here for a little bit MY TRUSTED TRADERS F.E. anyway. I don't even ask. Traders know though trial and error, I am the best. Build relationships w/your traders and kickass at what you do. The masses will find you and keep you busy. Then the really big traders come out. BEFORE you know it you will have a steady cask flow situation.
If you cant wait for funds then you are not cut out for this business model. Go back to the corner and slang! Go get some instant gratification and some silver bracelets. Tighten up your belt, keep your mouth shut and work hard/smart. EVENTUALLY you will win. STAY WITHIN ESCROW!!! ALWAYS!!!
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With the exception of shipping overseas, ANY vendor who REQUIRES F.E. is selfish and not playing by the rules!! AND you can be banned!!
I wait. Everyone else waits. So should you!! ONE of my first orders was for 20+ oxycodone tablets. I was new, broke and scared to lose!! I put my faith in the system and it worked out wonderfully. It was tough. BUT WORTH IT!! NOW that I have been here for a little bit MY TRUSTED TRADERS F.E. anyway. I don't even ask. Traders know though trial and error, I am the best. Build relationships w/your traders and kickass at what you do. The masses will find you and keep you busy. Then the really big traders come out. BEFORE you know it you will have a steady cask flow situation.
If you cant wait for funds then you are not cut out for this business model. Go back to the corner and slang! Go get some instant gratification and some silver bracelets. Tighten up your belt, keep your mouth shut and work hard/smart. EVENTUALLY you will win. STAY WITHIN ESCROW!!! ALWAYS!!!
I agree with you 100% on this, spot on bro.
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What most people don't understand is that we(venders) don't get paid until the buyer finalizes the transaction. Some new buyers either don't know to do this or simply forget.
Finalizing early makes it so neither of those are issues and we get paid so that we can keep stock at an appropriate level.
It's very tough having $1000s of product out in the mail system with no money in hand to replace said stock with.
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if a vendor can't bankroll their own inventory, and require FE from customers to restock, then they really aren't a serious vendor IMO.
There are the one-off vendors who do this for fun/service to others (my favorite kind), and there are the pros with cash and stock. Both, have no real need for anyone to FE.
The vendors inbetween just don't have their shit together and are trying to force buyers into taking on more risk than they should
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The amount I have in escrow is unbelievable. 4 figures most of the time and there are days that its 5 figures. I have just sucked it up and never require FE and it has worked out quite well for me and while im not the best selling vendor here im quite happy with the income I make ;)
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With the exception of shipping overseas, ANY vendor who REQUIRES F.E. is selfish and not playing by the rules!! AND you can be banned!!
Banned?? really
Imo good for you if you do not require FE. You obviously are selling more than enough and buying or manufacturing/growing your drugs cheap enough to cover the scammers.
Those that require it probably have been burnt a few times by scammers ,and are not power selling enough to cover their losses. That isnt being selfish... that is being smart.
Lets chase our tails some more. 'I dont understand why buyers scam vendors', 'I dont understand why buyers let it auto finalize', 'I dont understand why vendors scam buyers', 'i dont understand that FE will make scammers look elsewhere to escrow vendors' :P
+10 for FE, all we need now is buyer feedback and I will start vending again.
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There is the same risk of either forking over a partial refund or recieving negative feedback REGARDLESS of FE or escrow. How come no one seems to see this? If anything getting your customer to FE is more damaging because if they do request a refund further down the track they are able to do so without affecting their buyer stats. Infact their stats are improved by adding an extra transaction. Over all escrow is a better system. Period.
/rant
** Also, I completely understand vendors wanting to reduce the risk of shit scammer buyers and I'm sure most of you have good intentions and are just looking out for yourselves, just UNDERSTAND that making customers FE does not protect you!
I see your point, however you are going to cut out the lame scammers straight up by asking for FE. All you will have to deal with are the smarter scammers... those that play along with FE and then blackmail you with feedback. Most vendors dont give a fuck about these types as they will more than likely have a good customer base that does not care about their rating.
It is then up to the vendor to decide if they feel the buyer should get a refund or a reship. The vendor is in total control about how the situation will go, which has the advantage when dealing with "your product was absolutely shit" when you know it wasn't or "I didnt get my product" when you know they did.
You already have your money its up to the vendor to decide, if the transaction goes bad, how to handle it.
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If you cant wait for funds then you are not cut out for this business model. Go back to the corner and slang! Go get some instant gratification and some silver bracelets. Tighten up your belt, keep your mouth shut and work hard/smart. EVENTUALLY you will win. STAY WITHIN ESCROW!!! ALWAYS!!!
I LIKE IT! Good post MrDdroMcGillacutty!
That where that -1/karma came from? lol!
It's like cyber bully school in here sometimes. If someone who has the 'Almighty Karma' tool to wield doesn't like what you say about something, those little '-/karma's' come out!
So childish! Probably get one for saying that too!
That's cool! My REAL karma is just fine, thank you!
Good Job sir!
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It can be hard when you have $1000-$3000 in Escrow at any given moment in time. At times, I wish I could have access to that money so I can restock and pay my empoyees. Alas, I never require EF but sometimes I think about it.
Welcome to my life ::)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=cfb3e281f5fab01ac1911ef7ce2286da.jpg
Wow Reseller! That for reals? Man, that's ugly!
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It can be hard when you have $1000-$3000 in Escrow at any given moment in time. At times, I wish I could have access to that money so I can restock and pay my empoyees. Alas, I never require EF but sometimes I think about it.
Welcome to my life ::)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=cfb3e281f5fab01ac1911ef7ce2286da.jpg
Wow Reseller! That for reals? Man, that's ugly!
Yes, that's why sellers want buyers to FE.
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I don't understand why buyers think vendors should only work escrow. There is maybe 350 vendors here and maybe 25000 buyers. So there is WAY more scam buyers then sellers. I could see it being ok to work in escrow if buyers had to buy their buyers account just like vendors. It's not fair that the vendor should have to put all the trust in buyers but the sellers not in vendors. I think people who complain about only escrow and don't even have many buys need to prove them selves with good buyers stats to deserve working in escrow
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If you cant wait for funds then you are not cut out for this business model. Go back to the corner and slang! Go get some instant gratification and some silver bracelets. Tighten up your belt, keep your mouth shut and work hard/smart. EVENTUALLY you will win. STAY WITHIN ESCROW!!! ALWAYS!!!
I LIKE IT! Good post MrDdroMcGillacutty!
That where that -1/karma came from? lol!
It's like cyber bully school in here sometimes. If someone who has the 'Almighty Karma' tool to wield doesn't like what you say about something, those little '-/karma's' come out!
So childish! Probably get one for saying that too!
That's cool! My REAL karma is just fine, thank you!
Good Job sir!
It looks like you are on your own drugs :D
Never heard so much bullshit and childish comments especially in your PM to me:
"But you're just a little cyber bully prick when you do shit like that... ... Take you toys you spoiled little brat and go play some where else.... ...Now go fuck off!"
Do you think that this is the way of communication? To talk in disgusting and vulgar language?
Every buyer should be alarmed of someone who has only his own drugs in his head!
Your offense to me does not let me come out to do it in the same ordinary way ;)
You will see what I mean :D
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Escrow can be abused - but I think traders have stats so know if a customer is just some scam artist who set up an account to milk a few freebies.
Like any business it usually works on customer loyalty but with the added bonus of having choice on whatever it is you want to have. As long as traders are honest and deal only in quality then they will build up a good following.
The risk here is post not coming. In the UK the postal service is VERY good and 99% of stuff gets through without being stolen in house. Post from Europe is more risky but the vast majority makes it. Out of interest I would like to hear from UK traders about stats regarding claims of lost in the domestic post - or Dutch traders.
I think its amazing some traders will resend. I think a 'love letter' of seizure would secure 50% of the value back if it was a big order. Some traders with loyal customers who make ten purchases then lose one - usually get a resend. People who come on - make one purchase - and kick up a storm ought to go to street corner in some not so nice neighbourhood and tell one of the corner boys about wanting more gear as you lost some walking home. Or complain about weight or quality maybe.
Everyone finalises the deal early buying off the street. Even though we all know its overpriced and usually garbage.
If I was asked to finalise early by those I have bought off I would be ok with it. But I have never been asked to finalise early and have waited until the arrival then done the right and FE ASAP!
That's my view of it.
If you FE and lose some big parcel and have a good business relationship I am sure most here are looked after.
In the real world you sometimes send someone to buy something. If they lose it its just tough. If the cops grab it then its tough. If you get home and its concrete and not 'da bomb heroin' its tougher still. No chance to rate anyone, no escrow. Silk Road treats us like human beings not just someone to rip off. The system here is a work in progress and better than any other system. In real life we all pay before we actually even get to see if its real.
Here we do the same we send a postal worker or series of them to do the running. The trader is out of pocket as soon as he or she posts it. I'd reckon for losing maybe one in 50 parcels in the UK. The postie and the usual snake in the grass who robs in your home! Kids, Wife - anyone opening the parcel many of which are not in the real name.
Escrow is a good idea IMO. FE goes from case to case. If I was selling I would like the option of insisting on FE in some cases and depending on my cash flow. After all - it may take 24 hr or more from getting the BTC to actually getting hold of real money. Then it might take 24 hr to get more stock.
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Hold on while I put on my best grandpa voice here... ackhem:
I'm myyyyyy day, there was no such thing as escrow! We just looked on whatever review forum hadn't been shut down yet this week, sent our western union / greendot, and prayed! And anybody could post on those forums, no system in place to make sure only feedback came from people who legitimately had purchased something. You'd have great deals with someone and then one day they'd just disappear with your money. All we ever heard was, "so and so's a shill," "so and so is a scammer," "so and so is a reverse scammer!" and all too frequently, "so and so is a pedophile!!!" For no goddamned reason besides trolls being trolls. And we had to walk uphill to school 5 miles in the snow, goddammit.
In all seriousness, though, as someone who's new to Silk Road but has been purchasing drugs online since pre-webtryp (admittedly on an on-and-off basis - mostly off in more recent years) - I love the idea of escrow and I think it's a pretty brilliant system, but I absolutely get why sellers would have a problem with it and I especially get why they would demand early finalization from new buyers. To me it seems like escrow's a privilege for trusted buyers. I'm happy to FE for as many transactions as it takes for me to earn a good rep here. I'm just giddy as hell that there's this shiny new awesome place with legitimate systems in place that make it a LOT less of a gamble than what I'm used to.
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It can be hard when you have $1000-$3000 in Escrow at any given moment in time. At times, I wish I could have access to that money so I can restock and pay my empoyees. Alas, I never require EF but sometimes I think about it.
Welcome to my life ::)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=cfb3e281f5fab01ac1911ef7ce2286da.jpg
Wow Reseller! That for reals? Man, that's ugly!
Its a tough job.. but someone has to do it 8)
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I know there is some serious work being done in the background to give trusted sellers (and proper trusted sellers, not 1 month noobs that have sold a pill bottle of Xanax) early access to Escrow funds. I'm led to believe that this will incur a fee to the seller to do this, which in Economics 101, will just be passed on to the customer.
What I suggest would be a better idea is to loan part of the escrow pool out to vendors and charge them a daily interest rate. The loan amount can be either paid back via a BTC deposit or via new sales. This would do away with the requirement to finalize early due to cash flow issues (which I personally find bogus) If the escrow pool isn't paid back when the loan is due, the amount can be deducted from the sellers account.
Just a thought.
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Everyone was dying, to get to the bar, the bar is called heaven.
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escrow, as it is now OK for small orders, but cannot facilitate bulk trade, I bet most bulk deals go FE. if system suits people well, why they will opt not using it. Guarantee of payment is more important in bulk trade, at present there is no guarantee of payment for seller, I can send 1 kg to someone and what I get for it - resolution, thanks! in clearnet export there is such guarantee, it called BILL OF EXCHANGE. If I don't want to wait for payment I can sell BILL OF EXCHANGE to some one.
my point is that if people go to FE that some how reflect the fact that escrow system in present form do not adequate. it works no doubts, but more financial instruments and development may be needed.
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I prefer to stick to a few good dealers. In such a case, I'd gladly FE if it helps his/her business. I can get good weed around here but for the same price +/- I can get much better weed and exotic hash. If putting my trust in a guy on the internet helps keep that going, so be it.
Course, I've yet to be scammed so take what I say with a grain of salt :)
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The amount I have in escrow is unbelievable. 4 figures most of the time and there are days that its 5 figures. I have just sucked it up and never require FE and it has worked out quite well for me and while im not the best selling vendor here im quite happy with the income I make ;)
Yeah I kinda agree with this attitude. I realize I have only just started on SR but even when I am permitted to finalize early I think I will just stay within the escrow system apart from people with under 5 successful previous purchases. It just seems a lot fairer on everyone really and has all the security. I think the only thing I would insist on cash upfront are things I didn't have on my listings but can get on request because I wouldn't budget for those sorts of products or maybe things that are made-to-order.
I think this approach is fair on everyone.
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If you cant wait for funds then you are not cut out for this business model. Go back to the corner and slang! Go get some instant gratification and some silver bracelets. Tighten up your belt, keep your mouth shut and work hard/smart. EVENTUALLY you will win. STAY WITHIN ESCROW!!! ALWAYS!!!
I LIKE IT! Good post MrDdroMcGillacutty!
That where that -1/karma came from? lol!
It's like cyber bully school in here sometimes. If someone who has the 'Almighty Karma' tool to wield doesn't like what you say about something, those little '-/karma's' come out!
So childish! Probably get one for saying that too!
That's cool! My REAL karma is just fine, thank you!
Good Job sir!
It looks like you are on your own drugs :D
Never heard so much bullshit and childish comments especially in your PM to me:
"But you're just a little cyber bully prick when you do shit like that... ... Take you toys you spoiled little brat and go play some where else.... ...Now go fuck off!"
Do you think that this is the way of communication? To talk in disgusting and vulgar language?
Every buyer should be alarmed of someone who has only his own drugs in his head!
Your offense to me does not let me come out to do it in the same ordinary way ;)
You will see what I mean :D
I am on my drugs! Thank you!
Yeh, it's a way to communicate. Read the following post I put to our info and posted here concerning little punk ass bitches like you.
And I HOPE YOU MEAN "You will see what I mean" I am so fucking scared! Lol! This ones for you asshole;
'"I posted this at Mom n Pop Stuff today. It is for all those punks that try and control forums like the little punk ass bitches they are! I apologize to anyone offended by this THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT! You who fall into this category, know who you are. This is for you. And I don't give a flying fuck if you like it or not!
'"Oh yeah, one last thing today, for those vendors that attacked both Mom and I in forums because we defended
buyers posting that FE (finalizing early) is wrong and against the 'buyers guild' instructions; And this is
from me - Pop - GO FUCK YOURSELF! You're damn lucky I can't spank your childish asses! Forums are there for
EVERYONE! Not just your sorry asses! You're all 'senior members' and set a horrible example for buyers and
are a disgrace to Silk Road!
And then you little dicked assholes are armed with what I call the "-/karma gun" to act like childish cyber
bully's by attacking anyone you don't like what they post and provide them with '-/karma' point.Who gives a
fuck? Trying to compensate for tiny penis syndrome or what? We don't even go to forums any more because of
little fuck bitches like you! You are the only fucked up thing about Silk Road! Ass holes. Same goes for you
little prick vendors that cancel orders because we won't FE. And I'm not talking about large orders, I'm
talking about 5 and 10 bitcoin items! Bull shit on you! We'd rather never do dope again than buy from your
stupid asses! And you know WHO you are too! Probably the same bitch punks in forums handing out -/karma like it means ANYTHING!
Mom sez after that I have to include this; WE LOVE YOU ALL! And I do love you guys! I just want you to stop
acting like punk ass bitch bully's. You're embarrassing!
Lol "'
I posted this here because it mentioned 'karma' - a stupid self serving idea for sure. Oh yeah, anyone who doesn't like what I say and can't wait for me to check back in - which may be NEVER - just PM me/us. Positive or negative. Because forums are for anyone/everyone to say what ever they wish. NOT JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR!
We welcome negative input. We learn something from every person that ever says anything to us, from a child's words to the punk ass bitches that think their little -/karma's mean ANY THING! Get us kicked out if you can!
Punks!
Okay, Mom sez I have to tell you ALL that I do love you again. I do, you just piss me off when you do that controlling bullshit!
Have a great day y'all!
Dad"'
Put that in your pipe and smoke it BRO!
Dad
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If you cant wait for funds then you are not cut out for this business model. Go back to the corner and slang! Go get some instant gratification and some silver bracelets. Tighten up your belt, keep your mouth shut and work hard/smart. EVENTUALLY you will win. STAY WITHIN ESCROW!!! ALWAYS!!!
I LIKE IT! Good post MrDdroMcGillacutty!
That where that -1/karma came from? lol!
It's like cyber bully school in here sometimes. If someone who has the 'Almighty Karma' tool to wield doesn't like what you say about something, those little '-/karma's' come out!
So childish! Probably get one for saying that too!
That's cool! My REAL karma is just fine, thank you!
Good Job sir!
It looks like you are on your own drugs :D
Never heard so much bullshit and childish comments especially in your PM to me:
"But you're just a little cyber bully prick when you do shit like that... ... Take you toys you spoiled little brat and go play some where else.... ...Now go fuck off!"
Do you think that this is the way of communication? To talk in disgusting and vulgar language?
Every buyer should be alarmed of someone who has only his own drugs in his head!
Your offense to me does not let me come out to do it in the same ordinary way ;)
You will see what I mean :D
I am on my drugs! Thank you!
Yeh, it's a way to communicate. Read the following post I put to our info and posted here concerning little punk ass bitches like you.
And I HOPE YOU MEAN "You will see what I mean" I am so fucking scared! Lol! This ones for you asshole;
'"I posted this at Mom n Pop Stuff today. It is for all those punks that try and control forums like the little punk ass bitches they are! I apologize to anyone offended by this THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT! You who fall into this category, know who you are. This is for you. And I don't give a flying fuck if you like it or not!
'"Oh yeah, one last thing today, for those vendors that attacked both Mom and I in forums because we defended
buyers posting that FE (finalizing early) is wrong and against the 'buyers guild' instructions; And this is
from me - Pop - GO FUCK YOURSELF! You're damn lucky I can't spank your childish asses! Forums are there for
EVERYONE! Not just your sorry asses! You're all 'senior members' and set a horrible example for buyers and
are a disgrace to Silk Road!
And then you little dicked assholes are armed with what I call the "-/karma gun" to act like childish cyber
bully's by attacking anyone you don't like what they post and provide them with '-/karma' point.Who gives a
fuck? Trying to compensate for tiny penis syndrome or what? We don't even go to forums any more because of
little fuck bitches like you! You are the only fucked up thing about Silk Road! Ass holes. Same goes for you
little prick vendors that cancel orders because we won't FE. And I'm not talking about large orders, I'm
talking about 5 and 10 bitcoin items! Bull shit on you! We'd rather never do dope again than buy from your
stupid asses! And you know WHO you are too! Probably the same bitch punks in forums handing out -/karma like it means ANYTHING!
Mom sez after that I have to include this; WE LOVE YOU ALL! And I do love you guys! I just want you to stop
acting like punk ass bitch bully's. You're embarrassing!
Lol "'
I posted this here because it mentioned 'karma' - a stupid self serving idea for sure. Oh yeah, anyone who doesn't like what I say and can't wait for me to check back in - which may be NEVER - just PM me/us. Positive or negative. Because forums are for anyone/everyone to say what ever they wish. NOT JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR!
We welcome negative input. We learn something from every person that ever says anything to us, from a child's words to the punk ass bitches that think their little -/karma's mean ANY THING! Get us kicked out if you can!
Punks!
Okay, Mom sez I have to tell you ALL that I do love you again. I do, you just piss me off when you do that controlling bullshit!
Have a great day y'all!
Dad"'
Put that in your pipe and smoke it BRO!
Dad
And one more thing and then Mom says I have to go; I wrote that to you because you're right, it's not the way to act here. So I sent it to you PM. You are the punk ass bitch that brought it to the forums! Asshole!
So what is good for the goose is good for the asshole!
Peace - PUNK!
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If you cant wait for funds then you are not cut out for this business model. Go back to the corner and slang! Go get some instant gratification and some silver bracelets. Tighten up your belt, keep your mouth shut and work hard/smart. EVENTUALLY you will win. STAY WITHIN ESCROW!!! ALWAYS!!!
I LIKE IT! Good post MrDdroMcGillacutty!
That where that -1/karma came from? lol!
It's like cyber bully school in here sometimes. If someone who has the 'Almighty Karma' tool to wield doesn't like what you say about something, those little '-/karma's' come out!
So childish! Probably get one for saying that too!
That's cool! My REAL karma is just fine, thank you!
Good Job sir!
It looks like you are on your own drugs :D
Never heard so much bullshit and childish comments especially in your PM to me:
"But you're just a little cyber bully prick when you do shit like that... ... Take you toys you spoiled little brat and go play some where else.... ...Now go fuck off!"
Do you think that this is the way of communication? To talk in disgusting and vulgar language?
Every buyer should be alarmed of someone who has only his own drugs in his head!
Your offense to me does not let me come out to do it in the same ordinary way ;)
You will see what I mean :D
I am on my drugs! Thank you!
Yeh, it's a way to communicate. Read the following post I put to our info and posted here concerning little punk ass bitches like you.
And I HOPE YOU MEAN "You will see what I mean" I am so fucking scared! Lol! This ones for you asshole;
'"I posted this at Mom n Pop Stuff today. It is for all those punks that try and control forums like the little punk ass bitches they are! I apologize to anyone offended by this THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT! You who fall into this category, know who you are. This is for you. And I don't give a flying fuck if you like it or not!
'"Oh yeah, one last thing today, for those vendors that attacked both Mom and I in forums because we defended
buyers posting that FE (finalizing early) is wrong and against the 'buyers guild' instructions; And this is
from me - Pop - GO FUCK YOURSELF! You're damn lucky I can't spank your childish asses! Forums are there for
EVERYONE! Not just your sorry asses! You're all 'senior members' and set a horrible example for buyers and
are a disgrace to Silk Road!
And then you little dicked assholes are armed with what I call the "-/karma gun" to act like childish cyber
bully's by attacking anyone you don't like what they post and provide them with '-/karma' point.Who gives a
fuck? Trying to compensate for tiny penis syndrome or what? We don't even go to forums any more because of
little fuck bitches like you! You are the only fucked up thing about Silk Road! Ass holes. Same goes for you
little prick vendors that cancel orders because we won't FE. And I'm not talking about large orders, I'm
talking about 5 and 10 bitcoin items! Bull shit on you! We'd rather never do dope again than buy from your
stupid asses! And you know WHO you are too! Probably the same bitch punks in forums handing out -/karma like it means ANYTHING!
Mom sez after that I have to include this; WE LOVE YOU ALL! And I do love you guys! I just want you to stop
acting like punk ass bitch bully's. You're embarrassing!
Lol "'
I posted this here because it mentioned 'karma' - a stupid self serving idea for sure. Oh yeah, anyone who doesn't like what I say and can't wait for me to check back in - which may be NEVER - just PM me/us. Positive or negative. Because forums are for anyone/everyone to say what ever they wish. NOT JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR!
We welcome negative input. We learn something from every person that ever says anything to us, from a child's words to the punk ass bitches that think their little -/karma's mean ANY THING! Get us kicked out if you can!
Punks!
Okay, Mom sez I have to tell you ALL that I do love you again. I do, you just piss me off when you do that controlling bullshit!
Have a great day y'all!
Dad"'
Put that in your pipe and smoke it BRO!
Dad
And one more thing and then Mom says I have to go; I wrote that to you because you're right, it's not the way to act here. So I sent it to you PM. You are the punk ass bitch that brought it to the forums! Asshole!
So what is good for the goose is good for the asshole!
Peace - PUNK!
Lol! Good one M n P Stuff! Don't ever let these wanna-bees ( and yes you do know who you are! ) bully you!
I'll be checking your store out now that I know there are other free thinkers out there! And this place was getting so boring! Lol!
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The amount I have in escrow is unbelievable. 4 figures most of the time and there are days that its 5 figures. I have just sucked it up and never require FE and it has worked out quite well for me and while im not the best selling vendor here im quite happy with the income I make ;)
Yeah I kinda agree with this attitude. I realize I have only just started on SR but even when I am permitted to finalize early I think I will just stay within the escrow system apart from people with under 5 successful previous purchases. It just seems a lot fairer on everyone really and has all the security.
I think this approach is fair on everyone.
'"Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days. Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic. "' <<< this warning popped up and we decided against starting another thread on this topic.
That's may be a good idea but this is the first time either of us has been back here for the reasons originally posted back in April? - goodness how time does fly boys! Because we haven't been back, we missed all this and felt it wrong - regardless! - not to give 'kudos' where kudos are deserved - belated as they may be! And because we don't believe in or do the 'karma' thing - 'Kudos' seem more appropriate! So - at the risk of both 'Limitless' and 'Mitanox' never knowing we said this - 'We salute you!' - Mitanox for working with-in the frame work Silk Road wanted us all to and for setting a good example for all and dealing with Escrow! And to Limitless for adding to and encouraging input, also to do things the way Silk Road wanted things to be done - for one and for all! AGAIN - We salute you both! SHHHHAAAAH-WING!!!